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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:11 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Tony Lindsey)
Subject: Mac*Chat#080/20-Jun-95

Mac*Chat#080/20-Jun-95
======================

Welcome to Mac*Chat, the free, weekly electronic newsletter biased
   toward Mac users who are production-oriented professionals.  Other
   Mac users may find many, many items of interest as well.  I'd enjoy
   hearing your feedback and suggestions.  Unfortunately, due to the
   massive numbers of messages I get every day, I can't guarantee
  a personal reply.

  Tony Lindsey, <[e-mail]>.
  http://www.cts.com/browse/xxltony

See the end of this file for legalisms and info on how to subscribe.

Any [comments in brackets] are by Tony Lindsey.

Topics:
Highlights Of This Issue
Lightning Safety Tips, Continued
Searching And Archiving Tips
The Well-Connected Mac Is Moving!
Using Older Laserwriters On An Ethertalk Network
E-Magazine Lists
Special Mac*Chat Survey For Mac Online Vendors
System 7.5.1 And 7.5.2
Technical Section Starts... Here
Sharing Modems On A Network
Infobot Services?
Legalisms
Free Subscriptions To This Newsletter

Highlights Of This Issue
------------------------
  We are reminded to unplug the phone cable from our modems when
  lightning is present, there's a long, heartfelt review of On
  Location file-searching software, one of the best Internet sites
  for the Mac changes its address, Apple quietly releases its
  software method of sharing a LocalTalk laser printer on an
  EtherTalk network, I mention where you can find zillions of other
  electronic newsletters (you really needed more reading material,
  right?), I publish the results of my "Online Vendor
  Questionnaire," we discuss System 7.5.1's stability and future
  versions of 7.5, we hear from several folks who have discovered
  useful and stable ways to share a modem over an office network,
  and I ask about commercial infobot services.

Lightning Safety Tips, Continued
--------------------------------
  By [e-mail] (Dale Saukerson)

  [In response to Terry Wilson's tip in the last issue:]

  >**Safe Saving In Bad Weather**  If a sudden thunderstorm rolls
  >into your neighborhood, wind up what you are doing, Save As, shut
  >down, and unplug your power strip.

  You must also unplug the modem phone line, as it too can be the
  pipeline by which your computing equipment gets destroyed by
  lightning. And remember, it doesn't take a direct strike to do
  some serious damage. I've never had equipment damaged by
  lightning, but I've had one lucky miss.

Searching And Archiving Tips
----------------------------
  [I recently mentioned my own method of archiving large amounts of
  text and then finding what I wanted at a much-later date.  I
  received many suggestions on how to make the process simpler and
  faster.  One such response is listed below - It's MUCH larger
  than I normally like to include (uncut) in my newsletter, but I
  found it fascinating and informative.  I hope you do, too.]

  By [e-mail] (Jim Bonner)

  I have used On Location for about five years. It silently
  maintains indexes of every word and number in every file in my
  one gigabyte file system. And since searching is done via this
  index, finding a word is a lot faster than reading the files at
  the time of the search.

  Disclaimer
  ----------
  Concerning On Location -- I'm just a satisfied user.

  Background:
  -----------
  Mitch Kapor, who developed Lotus123, left Lotus Development where
  he was CEO in the late eighties. Upon leaving, he turned his
  attention to ON Technologies, a company he created, and started
  or continued working on other ideas kicking around in his head.
  On Location was the first product produced by his new company.

  Personal Experiences:
  ---------------------
  As I mentioned, I have used On Location for about five years. I
  have only had one problem in all that time. When I upgraded to
  Version 2.0.1 On Location would not work properly until I made
  one small change to a Claris System folder. Since then On
  Location has continued to work as advertised and on various Mac
  setups I have used. I currently use System 7.5.1 on a Quadra 800.

  On four occasions I completely set up Macs for neophyte users.
  Just before turning them over I made and retain a complete
  Retrospect archive of their file system. I also generated an On
  Location index and it has helped me help them find things during
  subsequent telephone hand-holding.

  I maintain a directory with all past issues of TidBITS. To find
  the review citations listed below I asked On Location to search
  all 280 issues of TidBITS for occurrences of the words on AND
  location. In about four seconds it produced a table citing 76
  files that contained both these words. Double-clicking on each
  citation then opened a text window that displayed the entire text
  and highlighted the word occurrence. Then I extracted the
  pertinent references.

  I have two CD-ROM compilations that contain On Location index
  files representing the rest of the disk's content. These indexes
  require the On Location application to be useful.

  Unfortunately On Location does not allow searching for a phrase.
  It will only cite files containing one or more search words. You
  can search for any occurrence of ALL of the searched-for words.
  You can also search for any occurrence of ANY of the searched-for
  words. Its table has no way of knowing where each word in a file
  is. It only knows if a word occurs in a file. 'Location' is a
  common word and 'on' is even more common. However 'tony' is not
  as common and 'lindsey' is probably even rarer. Hold on while I
  try something. . . .

  . . . Ok; I'm back. What I just did was to ask On Location to
  tell me all files where the words tony AND lindsey occur. It came
  back with 15 files. Eleven were Info-Mac digests, six were
  Mac*Chats, three were Eudora files and one was a HyperCard stack.
  Both tony and lindsey were in the stack but it referred to a
  different tony and a different lindsey. I timed the search and it
  took 73 seconds to consider the contents of 7,615 files. That
  comes to over 100 files per second or 10 ms per file. Ten ms is
  about the average seek time ratings for the drives I use!

  On Location occasionally locates a file that does not contain the
  complete search text. I think this is a drawback of the hashing
  algorithms it uses to create its small indexes. This occurrence
  has never been bothersome and On Location has never failed to
  locate a file containing the search text that I am aware of.

  Quoting from my On Location manual Introduction page:
  -----------------------------------------------------
  On Location is a desk accessory that you can use to locate files
  quickly, either by filename or by words in the file. Once you've
  found the files you want, you can view and copy information from
  them without opening their applications.

  How does On Location work?

  On Location builds an index of all the files on any disk. An
  index contains the names of the files and, optionally, for files
  containing text, all the words (and numbers) in the files. A
  complete index, containing both filenames and text, will
  typically occupy less than 2% of the disk space used by the files
  on the disk.

  After you index a disk, On Location automatically keeps it up to
  date. A portion of On Location runs in the background and watches
  for changes to your disk. As files are created, saved, renamed,
  moved, or deleted, the index is automatically updated.

  How do I use On Location?

  You can use On Location to make indexes for all your disks,
  including hard disks, 3.5-inch disks, CD-ROMS, and disks that you
  access using a network

  With On Location you can view the text in any file, even if you
  don't have the application that created it. The original fonts
  and styles are displayed for many standard word-processing file
  formats. IF you do have a file's application, you can also open
  and print the file from On Location.

  In addition, you can copy, move, delete, or rename a file, create
  a new folder, or even launch an application - all without going
  back to the finder.

  Reviews
  -------
  MacWEEK   04-Jun-90 pg. 63 (On Location)
  InfoWorld 25-Jun-90 pg. 70 (On Location)
  MacUser   02-Jul-90 pg. 57 (On Location)
  MacWorld  27-Aug-90 pg.274 (On Location 1.0)
  MacWeek   16-Dec-91 pg. 41 (On Location 2.0)
  MacWorld  18-May-92 pg.188 (On Location 2.0.1)
  MacWEEK   21-Jun-93        (On Location 2.0.1)

The Well-Connected Mac Is Moving!
---------------------------------
  [This Internet Web page is very, very high-quality, and worth
  visiting for ANY Mac user.  I mentioned the former location in a
  previous issue.]

  By [e-mail] (Elliotte Rusty Harold)

  The Well Connected Mac is moving to

  <http://www.macfaq.com/>

  The new site is up and running, and available immediately.
  Rever.nmsu.edu will mirror the Well Connected Mac for at least
  some time so that existing links won't break, but updates will
  happen first at the new site, and at some point in the future the
  site at rever will go away.

Using Older Laserwriters On An Ethertalk Network
------------------------------------------------
  By Tony Lindsey <[e-mail]>

  I've been hearing about this from several sources.  Evidently
  Apple has recently made it easier (and free of charge!) for
  older, non-Ethernet-equipped Postscript laser printers to be
  shared on an Ethertalk network.  You won't need any extra
  hardware expenses at all.  Also, the Control Panel allows you to
  choose whether you want to share your printer with the rest of
  the network.

  Step one:  download the (963k byte) Network Software Installer
  1.5.1, which has included LaserWriter Bridge 2.0.1 since March
  1995.


<ftp://ftp.austin.apple.com/Apple.Support.Area/Apple.Software.Updates/US/Mac
intosh/Networking.and.Communications/Network.Software.Installer/ZM-NSI_1.5.1
.sea.hqx>

  (the "ZM" means it'll work fine with International versions of
  the System too).

  Step two:

  Run an Easy Install to update every part of your networking
  component software.

  Step three:

  Run the Installer one more time and do a Custom Install of the
  LaserWriter Bridge software.

E-Magazine Lists
----------------
  By Tony Lindsey <[e-mail]>

  I've been receiving requests for information about Mac*Chat from
  folks who publish comprehensive lists of newsletters like mine.

  These lists cover hundreds of specialized interests, such as:

  FURYU: The Budo Journal of Classical Japanese Martial Arts and
  Culture.

  DATELINE: STARFLEET - An electronic fanzine providing news and
  analysis of the various Star Trek television series and motion
  pictures.

  RIGHT-WING DOO-DAH: An Electronic Journal Devoted to the Loopy
  Right Wing.

  EROFILE - Reviews of the latest books on French and Italian
  studies including: literary criticism, cultural studies, film
  studies, pedagogy, and software. Provides a forum for comments on
  previously published reviews in an effort to create an on-going
  dialogue on issues relevant to the field.

  WOOLGATHERINGS: The Hooked Rug E-Zine.

  ---------

  **E-Zine List**

  John Labovitz's <[e-mail]> list is HUGE. (over 400k).  It
  covers every possible topic _I_ could think of to mention, and
  John is quite aggressive about asking folks to be on his list.
  Well worth a look, particularly if you are a fan of the wild and
  wacky.

  <http://www.meer.net/~johnl/e-zine-list/>

  ---------

  **ARL's Directory of E-Journals**

  The Association of Research Libraries <[e-mail]> has
  started up a list of their own (over 100k).  I'm currently
  filling out the form allowing Mac*Chat to be included in their
  next directory.

  Their listing is much more scholarly in tone and content.

  <gopher://arl.cni.org:70/11/scomm/edir/edir94>

Special Mac*Chat Survey For Mac Online Vendors
----------------------------------------------
  [I recently sent out a questionnaire to a series of Mac hardware
  and software vendors who had some form of presence on the
  Internet.  I'm pleased to excerpt their responses below - The ">"
  symbols precede my questions.  If any other online vendor wihes
  to participate in this discussion, contact me directly.  I'll
  send you the questionnaire.]

  By [e-mail] (Larry Woodard)

  >I would like to know your impressions of the results you've
  gotten through

  >your online advertising, through e-mail or through a Web page.

  We just got our Web page up and running (still under
  construction, but getting there...), so it is too early to tell.
  We only send email to online users who request information.  We
  also monitor news groups to make sure that users get the support
  they need, both with our products and networking/communications
  in general.

  >- Has it helped you with overseas customers?

  Somewhat, although I find that most overseas users still prefer a
  fax. That will change over the next couple years.

  >- Has it enhanced either your sales or your prestige?

  Too early to tell, but it will.

  >- Has it gone nowhere so far, or have you received tangible
  results?

  With reference to the Web page, too early to tell.  We have found
  that users love the fact that we are plugged into the 'net.  We
  use Internet mail for our internal mailer here (Eudora).  If a
  user sends a message to anyone here or [e-mail], they
  get an almost immediate response. Very favorable impression.
  Some customers have quit using the phone and all communications
  are now done through email.

  >- What are your expectations for the future?

  Having Internet access, especially Web access for companies will
  become mandatory.  right now, it is in it's growth and acceptance
  mode, like fax technology was in the mid '80s.  Soon, if you
  don't have an email address, you'll be a social outcast (a bit
  extreme, but you get my point :-)  ). Companies who don't make
  themselves accessible via Web will be at a strong disadvantage
  (even Chrysler is now getting into it)

  >- Please add whatever human-interest thoughts that may occur to
  you - Your

  >feelings, your experiences that were sad or funny, whatever else
  would make

  >for a good story.

  I have found that users are *very* anxious to help me with the
  web site. If they find something funky or if they want something
  added, they will tell me (and are real pleased when they see
  their suggestions implemented). I need something that will let me
  output PageMaker and Quark files to HTML (ideas? the public
  domain utilities don't work properly).

  ***********************************************************

  * Larry Woodard         | E-mail: [e-mail]      *
  * Sonic Systems, Inc.   | Web:    http://www.sonicsys.com *
  * 575 N. Pastoria Ave.  | Tel:    [phone] x103     *
  * Sunnyvale, CA 94086   | Fax:    [phone]          *

  ***********************************************************

  --------

  By Robert Lenoil <[e-mail]>

  Catalogic is a CD-ROM service bureau offering turnkey CD-ROM
  manufacturing services, as well as CD-ROM recorders, software,
  and supplies. We have been publishing our email address
  ([e-mail]) in our advertisements for about a year and
  a half. Our results to date indicate that email respondents to
  our ads are less likely to purchase from us than those who call
  our toll free number. Why? - for the simple reason that if
  someone had a pressing need for our services, they would probably
  want to talk to us right away rather than wait for an email
  reply. A perfect example of this phenomenon is magazine reader
  service cards. We send out hundreds of responses to reader
  service inquiries from our ads, with truly terrible results.
  Those people just aren't very interested - if they were, they'd
  have taken the time to call us. The follow-through rate from
  email is not as bad, but the same logic applies.

  The only way to justify low-interest requesters of information is
  to minimize the cost of processing those requests. Ideally,
  that's where the web comes in, as a place where people can help
  themselves to the information they need. We're not on the web
  yet, but I'm sure we'll be there when we feel that a critical
  mass of our target customers can actually make use of that
  service. For now, potential customers can send us email; but if
  they really want to buy something, I suggest they give us a call.

  Robert Lenoil, President

  ------------------------------------------------------
  Catalogic - "Your CD-ROM Production Source"
  2685 Marine Way, Mountain View, California 94043 USA
  Telephone: [phone]
  Facsimile: [phone]
  ------------------------------------------------------

  --------

  By Sales <[e-mail]>

  The LLB Co. is a Macintosh Mail order company selling primarily
  Macintosh peripherals such as Memory, Modems, Accelerators,
  Networking Cards, and CD-Rom Titles/Hardware.  We try to offer
  quality products at reasonable prices.  We use E-mail on a daily
  basis to communicate with customers around the world.  We have
  been using E-mail for some time now fairly successfully.
  Recently we have constructed a Web page which can be viewed at
http:// LLB.COM.   The Web page allows users to subscribe to our
  Free Catalog, as well as view our product line.  We are currently
  working to accept orders on-line.  You can reach us by E-Mail at
  73423,[e-mail]

  --------

  By Kip Moore at Spin Peripherals <[e-mail]>

  In response to your informal survey question, we'd like to report
  that our experiences on the internet, although brief, have
  generally been positive. The only real way to access us via the
  Internet is through this account; as of yet, we have no other
  method of accessing us, although we have plans for both a web
  server as well as getting on AOL.  Interestingly enough, about
  half of the messages that we get are from sites outside of the
  US.  Most of the questions that we get on this site are technical
  and pricing questions, but that's par for the course.  As the
  maintainer of this site, it has been my experience that people
  generally use the internet to ask non-pressing technical
  questions, as opposed to my experiences answering tech support
  phone calls, which always seem to be matters of life and death.
  People seem to be much more laid back on the internet.

  In general, the feedback on the site has been positive.  We do
  get people who occasionally want to ftp something off of the
  site, or who want to download something off AOL, but we do have a
  direct BBS number to compensate. (By the way it's 508-787-1277)
  However, we are a growing company, and we definitely have plans
  to take advantage of the internet as a method of generating sales
  and providing customer support.

System 7.5.1 And 7.5.2
----------------------
  By [e-mail] (Jay)

  Filesharing in 7.5.1 is not stable. After all, they inaugurated
  new filesharing code with 7.5.1. Other than that, 7.5.1 is more
  stable than just about any system I've seen.

  [I'm glad it's working well for you, Jay - However, Ric Ford's
  "Macintouch" column in the past few issues of MacWeek have been
  telling a different story.

http://www.macintouch.com/~ricford/Welcome.html

  -------

  By [e-mail] (Duane Murphy)

  In Mac*Chat #78 you wrote:

  >System 7.5.2 is on the way!

  Be careful! My understanding is that 7.5.2 is _NOT_ going to be a
  general purpose release (like 7.5.1). 7.5.2 is necessary to
  support the new PCI Macintoshes. It's main purpose is to release
  the new Slot Manager to support the PCI system. To go along with
  the PCI Slot Manager they are also releasing the first version of
  Open Transport. As a side affect I believe 7.5.2 will also
  include a native Resource Manager.

  I believe that 7.5.2 will _ONLY_ be _SHIPPED_ with the new PCI
  Macintoshes. It will (probably) not be released separately. I
  would not mind having it for the new resource manager however.

  [I have heard that System 7.5 Update 2.0 is on the way, which
  will provide the same results for folks with older Macs.  Heaven
  only knows what version of the System THAT will provide us!]

Technical Section Starts... Here
--------------------------------

Sharing Modems On A Network
---------------------------
  [In a previous issue, I asked for help in locating a good system
  for sharing a 28.8k modem over an Appletalk network.  I
  specifically avoided mentioning any use of the modem for faxing,
  since the client wants to check e-mail from any Mac on the
  network.  I received many excellent recommendations.  Since then,
  my client has decided to switch over to an Ethertalk network,
  allowing greater modem speeds.]

  ---------

  By [e-mail] (Bo Holst-Christensen)

  I have been through the same thing a few times. Here are a few
  reasons why this is difficult:

  Using PhoneNet (or any other net using AppleTalk through a serial
  port) with Macintosh machines without a GeoPort or a dedicated
  processor, results in interrupts being turned off by the
  AppleTalk software for so long periods of time that characters
  being received through the modem port are lost, at speeds over
  9600 bps (actually Apple says that 2400 bps is all you can rely
  on coming through when AppleTalk is used). This prevents software
  solutions.

  If a newer Macintosh machine is used for a server, or the
  PhoneNet is replaced with an EtherNet, PortShare from Stalker
  Software should solve the problem. If the baudrate between modem
  and Macintosh is forced to 9600, there should be no problem in
  using PortShare with an older Macintosh on PhoneNet. Using a
  28800 bps modem in this configuration just seems to be such a
  waste.

  Using a Shiva LocalTalk NetSerial or LanRover seems to be a good
  solution. A hardware box is used as dedicated modem server on the
  net. Unfortunately Shiva implemented their hardware the same way
  as Apple did on the older Macintosh machines, so even though the
  Shiva boxes can be used at speeds up to 57600 bps, trying to
  actually transfer data at 19200 bps or higher results in
  characters being lost.

  It took me more than a year to get Shiva to admit this. I have
  spent a lot of time doing rather elaborate tests on the boxes, to
  convince Shiva that the problem wasn't the modem, telephone line,
  modem cable (supplied by Shiva), PhoneNet, Macintosh machine,
  System software, terminal software, preferences, extensions,
  remote host, etc. etc. I wasted a lot of resources on Shiva
  LocalTalk products without getting any solution at all.

  The only way I have found to reliably share a high speed modem
  over a PhoneNet is to use an EtherNet modem server, such as a
  Shiva LanRover/E, and an EtherNet/LocalTalk router. This is
  unfortunately so expensive, that it would be cheaper to just
  purchase one modem for each machine :-(

  If a Macintosh machines has the old serial ports, and you are not
  using AppleTalk over EtherNet, just putting a modem on that
  machine doesn't solve anything either. To be able to use the
  modem at reasonable speeds, you would have to turn AppleTalk off
  while using the modem - if not characters would be lost. All the
  fancy error correction done between the two modems is of no use
  when characters are being lost between the modem and the
  Macintosh.

  --------

  By David Dantowitz <[e-mail]>

  I had NO PROBLEMS and GREAT results with Stalker's Modem sharing
  software, called PortShare.

  At $150 for 10 licenses you can't go wrong. You can create
  virtual ports that map to a single modem on the network or a
  group of modems (first one free is used). In this way I setup a
  transparent modem farm for users to access as they wish. (Had no
  problems with any comm software, AOL, CompuServe's MacCIM,
  AppleLink, Zterm, FirstClass, MicroPhone. This was a great
  solution and it never let me down.)  We ran it off a IIcx over
  Ethernet. Things are sure to be slower over LocalTalk, but for
  AOL mail and flash sessions I think you'll be fine.

  /info-mac/comm/atlk/port-share-pro-241-demo.hqx

  Here's a description:

  PortShare Pro 2.2 Demo - The PortShare(tm) Pro software enables
  your Macintosh to share serial communication ports (i.e.
  modems/printers/etc attached to those ports) with other Macintosh
  computers connected to your network. Version 2.2 - added
  compatibility with one-port machines (Duo, new Powerbooks).

  This is the version that can also be used with stand-alone
  routers and other boxes (like Webster MultiPort(tm)/LT) that
  support PortShare protocol.

  Demo version: the session time is limited  (It only lasts for 2
  minutes).

  --------

  By [e-mail] (Garry Margolis)

  One of my clients has exactly the same situation (AOL E-mail for
  multiple users) and is using HayesConnect. It's a bit of a pain
  to configure and the documentation isn't all that great, but once
  it's going, it works fine. The software includes licenses for a
  single server and an unlimited number of client installations,
  and it is reasonably priced.

  Your problem, however, will be speed. The client's LocalTalk
  network simply isn't fast enough in my client's situation to
  support 14.4 communication at the same time as printing and file
  sharing -- we had dropped packets, garbles, etc., until we ramped
  down to 2400, at which speed everything works fine. This should
  not be a problem using Ethernet.

  It's not necessary to dedicate a Mac as a server. At my client's
  location, the receptionist's Centris 610, which is a fairly busy
  machine, also runs the HayesConnect server without any
  perceptible performance penalty at the same time as Word 5.1 and
  TouchBase Pro in multi-user mode with the data file on its hard
  disk.

  --------

  By Rich Ruscio <[e-mail]>

  I've the same problem, but in my home. Multiple Macs, and a need
  to not buy more modems. Not to mention, no more serial ports.

  So far, the only "solution" I've found is a "OneWorld Fax for
  Localtalk" server from Global Village, which seems to be what I
  want, for a modest $1500. Which, respectfully, is too much. I
  don't know of any others.

Infobot Services?
-----------------
  I'm often asked if I can recommend a good place to distribute
  e-mailed (for-profit) newsletters in the same general format as
  Mac*Chat.  The "infobot" software handles all subscription
  requests and cancellations, and mails out the newsletter when
  it's time.  There is a need for a human being to oversee such a
  list from time to time, to clear out deadwood manually, such as
  when America Online declines a whole pile of subscriptions.

  I'm NOT asking on my own behalf.  Shrimmy
  <[e-mail]> (the Mac*Chat list owner) is doing
  a superb, thoroughly professional job, and we all owe him a debt
  of gratitude.

  Does anyone know of a good commercial service that does this, and
  how much it costs?

Legalisms
---------

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